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Kip Thorne on Gravitational Waves, Time Travel, and Interstellar ,Episode 24
Episode 24: Kip Thorne on Gravitational Waves, Time Travel, and Interstellar
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Sean Carroll
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Blog post with show notes, audio player, and transcript: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/...
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I remember vividly hosting a colloquium speaker, about fifteen years ago, who talked about the LIGO gravitational-wave observatory, which had just started taking data. Comparing where they were to where they needed to get to in terms of sensitivity, the mumblings in the audience after the talk were clear: “They’ll never make it.” Of course we now know that they did, and the 2016 announcement of the detection of gravitational waves led to a 2017 Nobel Prize for Rainer Weiss, Kip Thorne, and Barry Barish. So it’s a great pleasure to have Kip Thorne himself as a guest on the podcast. Kip tells us a bit about he LIGO story, and offers some strong opinions about the Nobel Prize. But he’s had a long and colorful career, so we also talk about whether it’s possible to travel backward in time through a wormhole, and what his future movie plans are in the wake of the success of Interstellar.
Kip Thorne received his Ph.D. in physics from Princeton University, and is now the Richard Feynman Professor of Theoretical Physics (Emeritus) at Caltech. Recognized as one of the world’s leading researchers in general relativity, he has done important work on gravitational waves, black holes, wormholes, and relativistic stars. His role in helping found and guide the LIGO experiment was recognized with the Nobel Prize in 2017. He is the author or co-author of numerous books, including a famously weighty textbook, Gravitation. He was executive producer of the 2014 film Interstellar, which was based on an initial concept by him and Lynda Obst. He’s been awarded too many prizes to list here, and has also been involved in a number of famous bets.
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Carl Hill
Carl Hill
3 years ago
I just want to say thank you for creating this podcast.
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vleecam
vleecam
3 years ago
Interstellar is my favourite movie. Sean, I practically squealed when I saw the title. Thank you for the work you do <3
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Ryan James
Ryan James
3 years ago
This was a rad episode, thank you Rogan for putting me on to Sean
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Randy Hanna
Randy Hanna
3 years ago
Love your content sean. Thank you.
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Terra
Terra
3 years ago
These are too short! I want an extra hour tacked on to your podcasts from now on!
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Mora
Mora
3 years ago
Great podcast Sean. I’d love it if you could get a geo-physicist or a geo-chemist on sometime. I find those disciplines are often overlooked but they’re very interesting and quiet important :)
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vlex756
vlex756
2 years ago
So what was the radius of the Sphere of Death that resulted when these two neutron stars collided? It's slightly sobering to consider that this magnificent discovery may have also resulted in the destruction of other lifeforms that had the misfortune to be "nearby."
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Gregory Perez
Gregory Perez
2 years ago
Excellent podcast, Sean! By the way, my favorite book is "The Big Picture"; such well-articulated thoughts and ideas about naturalism/poetic naturalism. The ideas resonate harmoniously with my personal world-view, and I could not have imagined better words to elucidate such notions. And my favorite movie is "Interstellar", and I would also recommend reading "The Science of Interstellar" by Kip Thorne. So this particular episode hits my interests dead-on! Thank you!
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lineu miziara
lineu miziara
3 years ago
This is the best podcast ever!!Kip is marvellous, a gift to mankind!
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Gh0stShadow117
Gh0stShadow117
3 years ago
Kip is the man who started me off on scientist book authors. Such an intelligent man.
chubb
chubb
3 years ago
Sean please do video content aswell, your podcast would explode if you included some sort of video along with the discourse.
Love your work
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Tommaso Fazio
Tommaso Fazio
3 years ago
These podcasts are simply spectacular. Please do one on the Quantum Computer and Quantum Computation in general, Quantum Information, and Circuit QED. There's a huge amount of experts on the field at Yale University for instance (Blais, Girvin, Wallraff, Schoelkopf, etc.). It would be just amazing!
Ken Leigh
Ken Leigh
2 years ago
Utterly fascinating and mind boggling. It’s a huge effort to bend the mind round the reality of gravitational waves. The power of 30 solar mass black hole collisions is on a scale I cannot begin to conceive of though in trying I get shivers of terror when occasional glimpses flash across my imagination. Truly awesome in the real sense
John Teddy
John Teddy
1 year ago (edited)
Love these podcasts, they are grounding in a weird way
ClayZ
ClayZ
2 years ago (edited)
44:38 Let me see if I’ve kind of got this. Vortices in empty space. Each vortex is a tornado-like twisting shooting out of either the north or south poles (the spin axis) of a Black Hole. Two BH’s collide, causing six vortices. Three vortices each at north poles, three at south poles. One vortex at each pole for each BH, that’s four of them, and one vortex at each end for the new merge that is happening. Eventually this will come down to just two vortices again when the merge is complete. And the BH’s themselves are in essence empty space? So this activity is all happening where there is nothing in our space, its all in BH space, spewing out gravity waves into our space all the while. God I love this stuff.
Kiters Refuge
Kiters Refuge
3 years ago (edited)
Awesome. It was running in the background as I worked...only recently did i "clock" an erroneous picture of a black hole; its just warped space!! Previously I thought of it as a mass sitting in a hole.
nicklezetc
nicklezetc
2 years ago
I dont understand how someone could measure something so small, over such a large distance. Truly mindblowing
Toby Douglas
Toby Douglas
3 years ago
Thanks for more episodes!
Joe Garibaldi
Joe Garibaldi
3 years ago
Love this Podcast!
Imaginose314159
Imaginose314159
3 years ago
It seems bizzare to me they can actually collide with all that twisted time going on.
AUREL STRAT
AUREL STRAT
2 years ago
Excellent presentation!
Michael Abraham
Michael Abraham
3 years ago
It takes a Nobel Prize winner to correctly conjugate squeeze. Freeze frozen, squeeze squozen.
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Eric Hodge
Eric Hodge
2 years ago
How amazing these people are.
Starlite4321
Starlite4321
3 years ago
Excellent show. Out here in the wild one doesn't get much of a chance to hear directly from this great man. Thanks Dr. Carroll!
eva2k0
eva2k0
3 years ago
Sean if you see this, I have one recommendation. It sounds like you are recording in a big empty room with hard floors. If possible please place carpet down or other objects that will aid in sound dampening... books, papers, etc... Or just cheap sound dampening material. Prefab fiberglass panels with upholstery covers go for around $60 and would greatly reduce the echo if it is indeed being caused by recording in a non ideal environment. I love your podcast. Please keep it up.
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executivesteps
executivesteps
2 years ago
An entire professional lifetime dedicated to understanding and researching gravity waves and three days after the billion dollar "advanced" LIGO goes online they get a hit with two 30 solar mass black holes merging that occurred 1.3 billion years ago. Talk about a photo finish.
BTW Where are all the a-hole YouTube commentators making dismissive comments about "mainstream academics"? Kip Thorne, a mainstream academic at his best and iirc the youngest person ever to become tenured at CalTech.
Gary Singh
Gary Singh
2 years ago
Excellent talk, would loved video feed. Criminal how this has so few views relative to the junk on YouTube these days
Dylan Amble
Dylan Amble
3 years ago
keep the fire content up! sub + like 😁
lashram32
lashram32
2 years ago
I swear I'm not trying to be cruel, (I hope Kip wouldn't take offense,) but ya know when ligo recorded that giant gravity wave and put it to an audible sound... it's the same sound his tick makes all these years of studying his lectures. Makes me smile.
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Sauce With Lyrics
Sauce With Lyrics
3 years ago
This. This is what I'm thankful for.
Andrew Shortt
Andrew Shortt
3 years ago (edited)
I think each of us experiences life as a personal interpretation of information. This doesn’t mean we create reality or any woo like that simply that what we experience as time and space and all the goings on is a personal extrapolation of and from information of a highly detailed and complex nature. Thus time travel will never be a thing. You’d have to go back to yourself interpreting as you did then. Such as state would be indistinguishable from the original state perhaps with a minor déjà vu overlap. This to me would be a somewhat useless endeavour. This hypothesis is based on the idea that time and space are just personal representations of the information we are interpreting. You could think of it as everything is happening at once and we separate it out and apart thus time and space allows us make sense of it as a simpler framework.
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LudvigIndestrucable
LudvigIndestrucable
3 years ago
+sean carrol Thank you for this video, very interesting, but... I have a favour to ask. I got into something of an 'argument' with someone in the comments section who seemed to be a proponent of the 'electric universe' theory. I must admit that I know very little about it, other than the same channel posted a video of Rupert Sheldrake claming that stars are conscious and that they seem to be pushing the aether model of the universe. I know that this isn't really what you got into podcasting to do, but I'd be interested in a solopodcast by you explaining various defunct theories. I am NOT asking for any commentary on flat earth or similar as it's too tedious and Tyson has that one covered.
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Monkismo
Monkismo
11 months ago
Does it depress anyone else to hear so many scientists declare that "we" are all there is in the universe, esp. when you look around the world and see what we're doing with it?
Dizzy Titan
Dizzy Titan
2 years ago
Can we use earth or venus lagrange points to make a giant gravitational interferometer?
DiogenesofSinope1
DiogenesofSinope1
3 years ago
You had me at Kip Thorne
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albertods611
albertods611
1 year ago
Conversation between geniuses.
Chris Record
Chris Record
2 years ago
Okay just so Get this straight. Thorne (Nobel Laureate) to Sagan. Don't use a black hole for Elle Arroway (Foster) for space and time travel (they, bhs exist, right?) instead use a worm hole ( even though they don't exist naturally and if they were created by an advanced civilization then they would still, likely, be unstable, tiny and require enormous energy to send anyone through them) plus no person can travel through them faster than the speed of light, use a worm hole, even if information might, in Contact (note, putting three or more ifs together bad). I am guessing these flaws would not impact the box office take, either way.Smart move for Kip diverting to LIGO.
Steve Phillips
Steve Phillips
3 years ago
All those tiny wormholes ... wouldn’t that contribute to expansion?
markden21
markden21
2 years ago
That was bloody marvellous.
Collin Donahue
Collin Donahue
3 years ago
Came for Kip, stayed for ‘Home Improvement Tim Allen.’
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The Tau'ri
The Tau'ri
3 years ago
Truly, with people this accomplished and conversations this complex, it'd be wonderful to have a Joe Rogan style 2-3 hr long podcasts so that we could go on many more tangents. Other than that, great episode Sean!
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Yaser Masood
Yaser Masood
3 years ago
Brilliant podcast,
All together now aaaaeeeeh! 😉
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Meijke B
Meijke B
3 years ago
Breakthrough Prize is also in mathematics.
Francisco J
Francisco J
3 years ago
Great podcast.
A lot of it made me feel dumb...
Robert Christian Dau
Robert Christian Dau
3 years ago
Awesome and I just started listening
Shadow Heart
Shadow Heart
3 years ago
An OG. Respect.
فيديوهات على اليوتيوب
فيديوهات على اليوتيوب
3 years ago
We need to travel quickly from the continent of Europe to the continent of Australia
. We need Instant Transfer
. We need to invent tubular hole To travel quickly to distant continents in the earth
.There are a lot of people suffering from fatigue And exhaustion This is because their homes are far from their work sites
. Humans should be interested in the (Tubular hole) For the immediate transportation project . Many animal experiments should be done for the Instant Transfer project,
.The immediate transport project depends on the wormhole industry (Tubular hole)
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Daniel Boquist
Daniel Boquist
2 years ago
Does light experience time? Does anything that lacks mass experience time?
Brendan Ohara
Brendan Ohara
3 years ago
Sean,vget Neil degrasse Tyson on the podcast. That be a great episode and conversation 💯💯
Leigh Edwards
Leigh Edwards
2 years ago
Stargate the movie was a few years before Contact with the use of Wormholes, geek mode off!
realcygnus
realcygnus
3 years ago
Ah-ight ! You gotta dig my man Kip
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BoomerU
BoomerU
3 years ago
LIGO is filtering out massive amounts of background data with amazing precision, so what is in that "noise"?
I'd suggest a lot, and it should be investigated.
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Imaginose314159
Imaginose314159
3 years ago
I'm from the Logan area Very Very Proud you Dr. Thorne.
Daniel Best
Daniel Best
7 months ago
We've detected gravitational waves:- now, how can we manipulate them?
gsilcoful
gsilcoful
3 years ago
Thank you.
D Reed
D Reed
2 years ago
Good conversation
arbitrarysequence
arbitrarysequence
3 years ago
Stargate 1994 = first movie with wormholes. Contact 1997
SuperDynamite666
SuperDynamite666
2 years ago
Let him do his own intro or in bits
Hashir Bin abbas
Hashir Bin abbas
2 years ago
You need to have a very good attorney🤭🤭🤭kip is as cheeky as he is smart
Bryan Draughn
Bryan Draughn
11 months ago
It looks like the universe is building up black holes in a variety of ways...
Maybe it's a "priority"??
Harry Nicholas
Harry Nicholas
8 months ago (edited)
surely if you get in your time machine and go backwards all you do is collapse a different wave function. you go back, kill your grandmother (i'm a mysoginest) but it makes no difference to you cos you come from the timeleine where that didn't happen - it's a whole new universe that only ONE OF YOU exists in - you. you in the future is a different timeline. which would make getting back tricky, but still do-able, if you can find you own original timeline. so time travel is universe travel too. is it that we can't time travel, cos in effect we are already time travelling? whatever we do, however slow we move, we can never be in the same simultaneous time to someone else? we "carry our own wave function" with us? and if we approached the speed of light time would dilate (relatively) so, isn't it already dilating, just at a miniscule pace?
Nessie
Nessie
3 years ago
A lotta inside baseball there, Dr. Carroll.
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ali jassim
ali jassim
3 years ago
YES, YES, PHYSICS
FPS
FPS
1 year ago
Were they talking about TeneT in the END 🤯
DRB QQQ
DRB QQQ
1 year ago
Was this recorded while driving along a hilly road?
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Glenn Thoughts
Glenn Thoughts
2 years ago
I'm really loving the "aahheeii"
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Nae Dolor
Nae Dolor
3 years ago (edited)
Why does Kip's vocal tic sounds like two merging black holes?
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Glenn Thoughts
Glenn Thoughts
2 years ago
People: "Alright"
Me: "Ayt"
Thorne": "Aaaeeeyyyyt"
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John Freeman
John Freeman
3 years ago
First cause Sean was my teacher at Cal Tech for two years
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the lenz perspective
the lenz perspective
3 years ago
Kip "aahua" Thorne.. he sounds like professor Farnsworth from Futurama
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Pensul pusher
Pensul pusher
3 years ago
You need to-eugh-get some, eugh, video feed.
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FaxanaduJohn
FaxanaduJohn
3 years ago
Any relation to Rip?
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Badr A
Badr A
2 years ago
Why does his voice go up like that sometimes?
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Papaw Loves You Forever buddy!!!
3 years ago
Alright, before they introduce mr. Thorne I believe this is the guy who's got that strange tick either in between sentences or words or it's either right after a sentence or before. But he makes this really strange and Noise and I believe it's this guy that does it I would love to know what that is! Or what causes it or what caused it...
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Andrew Vanderhoof
Andrew Vanderhoof
1 year ago
kip drink some damn water, I was really looking forward to this but had to turn it off. The constant sound of him smacking his lips is like nails on a chalk board.....
Splen borg
Splen borg
1 year ago
Squozing.
LudvigIndestrucable
LudvigIndestrucable
3 years ago
Who the hell downvoted this and why?? Too physicsy for you?
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Jones Jão
Jones Jão
3 years ago
AAAEEEEHHH
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Rymc760
Rymc760
2 years ago
Can't handle this speech impediment. I'll watch another one
V-LOGI
V-LOGI
3 years ago
The way this guy keeps saying “aaiiihh” is making this unlistenable right now
Yaser Masood
Yaser Masood
3 years ago
Does kip have terets
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Adam Dalgleish
Adam Dalgleish
3 years ago
aaaaaeh?
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