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Sirtuins are enzymes regulating the expression of genes that control the function of cells through key cellular signalling pathways. Ageing causes changes in sirtuin function, and these changes contribute to the development of various diseases. There are many labs studies sirtuins, including Dr David Sinclair’s Lab, Dr Vera Gobunova’s lab and Dr. Haim Cohen’s lab.
Sirtuin 6, or SIRT6 for short is a chromatin-bound deacetylase predominantly found in the nucleus. SIRT6 has been implicated in longevity, metabolism, DNA-repair, and inflammatory response reduction.
Flavonoids are a large family of naturally occurring polyphenolic compounds that provide health benefits to protect against age related diseases.
A study on examining 18 natural polyphenols for modulating SIRT6 activities in cancer cells. The study shows that flavonoids can alter SIRT6 activity in a structure dependent manner. Increases the activation of SIRT6 enzyme which may reduce the growth of cancer cells and expression of cancer genes.
Among all types of polyphenols, studies have suggested that anthocyanidins, may play important roles in helping to reduce the risk of many age-related diseases.
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@jcyumei246
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1 year ago
Now I'm not feeling too guilty for having a raspberry cake!😂
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@valeriehopebennett
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1 year ago
great thank you it was so educational success.
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@markvoelker6620
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1 year ago
“Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!!”
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@susanc.2482
@susanc.2482
1 year ago
Great news to me, I love all sorts of berries. They are lovely and tasty and extend my lifespan!
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@androidaccount7743
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1 year ago
Should do a video sharing quercetin brands that actually contain what they claim. A lot of charlatans out there.
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@sparetoothbrush
@sparetoothbrush
1 year ago
would dried whole elderberries still contain cyanidine?
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@charlessavoie2367
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3 months ago
I've become interested in Gotu Kola, Centella Asiatica, as the top telomerase activator. People are unduly worried about if telomerase gets activated it means cancer. No. Cancer worries are best addressed by taking lactoferrin daily. Cancer can't get started without iron.
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@laurenflowers2023
@laurenflowers2023
1 year ago
Here were were eating blackberries and raspberries because they taste good, are low on carbs and Costco always has them. 😀
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@juliahello6673
@juliahello6673
1 year ago
Elderberries have the highest content by far.
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@Elaba_
@Elaba_
5 months ago
This is old information. The person who gave the elderberry it's name knew this.
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@henryquenin6580
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2 months ago
What is an optimal dose of cyanidin? The amounts found in berries are for each 100 grams which represents a whole lot of berries.
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@markveen1373
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1 year ago
I eat RAW elderberries. But be careful. Just a handful every now and then. Very potent stuff.
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@stevesteve7175
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1 year ago
This is extraordinary information.
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@charlessavoie2367
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4 months ago
I'm reading that Japanese fucoidan is the top SIRT-6 booster.
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@arnoldpillay9834
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1 year ago
Excellent information
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@paulkiesow7588
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1 year ago
I take 330mg pure cyanidin each day. Hard to find, and would be a hard sell since it's one of the most staining substances. Handle with care or you'll need new flooring.
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@miracoli16
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1 year ago (edited)
Why didn't aronia berries get mentioned? As far as i know they are even far more potent then black elderberries
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@phsal5182
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1 year ago
thank you
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@brianmelton7946
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1 year ago
Does elderberry wine activate SIRT 6? A glass a day perhaps?
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@pavelmirov5328
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1 year ago
Cyanidin or Fucoidan ?
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@MrGiooshow
@MrGiooshow
1 year ago
But is it safe to eat 100g of black elderberries?
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@Kurio71
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8 days ago
Can you take dried berries?
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@davidross7028
@davidross7028
1 year ago
Aronia berries? One plant for abundant source. Attractive in landscape. Freezes or dehydrates well.
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@edwhite2255
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1 year ago
Can you obtain a therapeutic dose from these berries; enough to measurably amp up SIRT6?
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@benv.5170
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1 year ago
What study did they find it activated SIRT 6 55x more
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Ok I (HATE!!) having to read my videos. So are you to cheap to add voice to this video?. I do so love the subject but this just can’t happen again do with that I’m giving this video a full on…(THUMBS DOWN!!) until you repost this video with voice.
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0:00
talk me through this whole sirtuin thing
0:04
that's a pretty broad question
0:06
let me narrow it down a little bit talk
0:07
me through what you were just about to
0:09
allude to that what was lenny onto when
0:11
you showed up well genetics is is a
0:13
fabulous tool because you don't have to
0:15
go in with any hypothesis that biology
0:17
will tell you the answer
0:18
and the gene that had just been cloned
0:20
by brian turned out to be what's called
0:22
surf iv
0:23
now
0:24
so four didn't turn out to be a
0:26
mammalian
0:27
conserved gene so so far is
0:29
not been as exciting but there was this
0:31
partner of the surfboard gene
0:33
i was called so two
0:34
and so two and so three and so four form
0:37
this complex of proteins stick together
0:39
in control of all things gene silencing
0:42
that's what sur stands for silent
0:44
information regulator in this case
0:46
number two
0:47
and that was very unexpected in those
0:49
days
0:50
if you think back the cause of aging was
0:52
thought to be dna damage mutations free
0:54
radicals so we were all expecting to
0:56
find genes that controlled dna repair or
1:00
antioxidants at that time because i go
1:02
back and i think god at that time i was
1:04
still in college studying math and
1:05
engineering i didn't know i hadn't taken
1:06
a biology course so i can't think about
1:08
it through the context of my own
1:10
education how well was it understood
1:12
that there were introns and extrons and
1:14
that much of the genome wasn't even
1:16
coding and stuff like was that all was
1:18
that well understood at that point in
1:19
time it was in yeast actually they were
1:21
ahead of anybody else in eukaryotes we
1:24
knew that there were introns and not
1:25
many introns in yeast anyway
1:27
but we hadn't seen the full genome it
1:29
was still bits and pieces maybe 5 10 was
1:32
known
1:33
my phd was sequencing three genes that's
1:35
all it took
1:37
so
1:38
things were changing rapidly this new
1:40
thing with pcr you could move tubes into
1:42
hot tubs and amplify genes it was all
1:44
very exciting
1:45
but what we didn't
1:47
have any clue was that why a silencing
1:49
gene that controlled
1:51
negatively controlled genes other genes
1:53
why that would have anything to do with
1:55
aging it was totally bizarre it led to a
1:58
string of cell papers
2:00
and one after another every few months
2:02
we were actually publishing something
2:03
new and we had a science paper and
2:06
that was the the gold rush of this
2:07
discovery because it really turned on
2:09
the lights in this cave of a whole new
2:12
area of biology
2:13
and we're still trying to understand
2:14
actually why those silencing proteins
2:17
are relevant to aging but what we do
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know
2:19
for sure is that these same genes these
2:21
sort of in all life forms whether
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they're from plants all the way to us
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do play a protective role in responding
2:28
to energy
2:29
and nutrients just like the empty kinase
2:31
in the import pathway do so
2:32
you alluded to cert ii
2:35
was that first found in yeast yes it was
2:38
it was known already actually
2:40
lenny and we didn't discover so too it
2:43
was already known as a silencing protein
2:44
that controlled the mating type in other
2:47
words the sex of a yeast cell
2:49
and if you don't have the silencing what
2:51
happens is that the yi cells get
2:53
confused because they're now turning on
2:55
genes for a and alpha which means male
2:57
and female and a yeast cell that doesn't
2:59
know if it's male or female will not
3:00
mate and it's become sterile
3:03
and turns out that's a hallmark of yeast
3:04
aging is sterility so if you you know
3:07
you the way you can tell whether a yeast
3:09
cell is truly old
3:11
is is it sterile or is it just sick and
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that's how we used to tell but now we
3:16
actually understand the cause of that
3:18
sterility it's the actual the the
3:20
movement of so two protein away from
3:23
those genes that it should be at to go
3:25
deal with other problems in the cell i
3:26
see so it's not that sir two becomes
3:29
deactivated it just
3:31
for lack of a better description shifts
3:33
its attention elsewhere right it becomes
3:35
distracted by other things going on in
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the cell and and we we had a cell paper
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in 1999 with kevin mills and lenny
3:41
where we discovered and a couple of
3:43
other groups should also get credit for
3:44
co-discovering this is that the sirtuins
3:46
are also involved in dna repair when you
3:48
get a broken chromosome it's the cer2
3:51
complex that goes along helps unwrap the
3:53
dna we think and put it back together
3:55
and repair that and while the sort ii
3:57
complex is doing that
3:59
it cannot be also silencing there's not
4:00
enough of it to go around
4:02
and you might ask well why would the
4:03
cell do that why don't you just make
4:04
more so too what we think is that this
4:06
is a very ancient system that
4:08
coordinates
4:10
controlling mating
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and dna repair you don't want to be
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mating and dividing
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if you've got a broken chromosome so
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this is a way of coordinating those two
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events
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and it's very ancient it's a very active
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system you need dna checkpoint signaling
4:24
so it's not just random
4:26
but what we also have come to realize is
4:28
that this
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let's call it this distraction of the
4:31
sertuans
4:33
it's conserved we find this happens in
4:35
our own aging process as well so there's
4:37
really two roles
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there's gene silencing
4:41
and dna repair
4:43
now sirtuins are
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hdacs is that correct are they all age
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tags so hdac histone d acetylases this
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is the old name for
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protein deocetylases now because what
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we've all come to realize is histones
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are just one of the things that sertons
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and these other hdac's do they can
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target what are called non-histone
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proteins and they remove not just acetyl
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groups but also other types of what are
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called generally acell groups and so
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that's a whole new world that means that
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sirtuins the family there are seven of
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them in mammals five of them in yeast
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target
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other proteins proteins that are in
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cytoplasm in the nucleus even in the
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mitochondria and that's their role it's
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not so much only about controlling the
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chromatin and histones
5:27
but also about controlling signaling and
5:30
metabolism as well and they can do that
5:32
by targeting any protein theoretically
5:35
in the cell so
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what are the
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you know again thinking back to daf 2
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daf16 as the parallels with foxo and igf
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were there elegant experiments in the
5:45
yeast that could show you extreme
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conditions of
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lots of cert no cert and what that
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phenotype is oh yeah these were the
5:53
first experiments so i'll try to take
5:55
you through them correctly in sequence
5:57
so the what we showed with brian first
5:59
of all in the 1996 cell paper was that
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we were looking for this movement there
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was this so-called aged locus we didn't
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know what it was we didn't know where
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they were going we just know that they
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knew that they left the silent mating
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type locus
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so what we did was we stained it so
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brian had moved on actually to his
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postdoc and
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kevin mills and i student at the time
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our job was to find where are the sur
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proteins going so we stained them and we
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could look at them on the microscope and
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what we saw was they were going to this
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little place in the nucleus which we
6:29
eventually figured out was the nucleus
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which is
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what makes the rrna which makes the
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ribosomes
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it's a really important part and the dna
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that's within the nucleus is called the
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ribosomal dna or the rdna
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and that's where they were going
6:45
not just during normal aging but also
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during
6:48
an accelerated form of aging so there's
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a whole story that was lost in history
6:52
actually that maybe i'll just quickly
6:54
touch on one of the first things i did
6:56
when i got to lenny's lab was to work on
6:58
werner syndrome which is premature aging
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disease and these are kids that die in
7:02
their teens or twenties aren't they no
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that that's a different hutchinson
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girlfriend syndrome this one weren't as
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they lived together 40s yeah yeah
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but the gene was just cloned by george
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martin and his team out there
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and the homologue in yeast is called
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sgs-1 and i i picked up the paper it was
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in science i recall went into lenny's
7:20
office and i said i've just been scooped
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but there's a yeast homolog i'm going to
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work on that is that okay and he said
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yeah go for it
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and so we worked on sgs1 for a little
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bit and what we found was that they were
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going through accelerated aging as well
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so we had a science fair on that
7:36
and what was exciting about that was
7:37
that they were also becoming sterile and
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the so too complex was moving as well
7:42
just like the normal aging so we had
7:45
this model rapid aging model and you
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might say well so what's the big deal
7:48
you've got a rapid aging model
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but ada told us that there was some
7:52
universal process that
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results in premature aging in humans
7:56
probably in yeast the same thing and we
7:58
could also study this much more easily
8:00
than an old y cell
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consider that to find a single old yeast
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cell
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it's really hard especially if you're
8:07
just studying replicative aging which is
8:10
the number of times they divide each
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mother cell
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produces
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on average 10 to the power of 25
8:16
offspring wow okay so that's by my
8:19
calculations about 30 million
8:22
offspring and you have to pull out that
8:23
one cell and study it biochemically wait
8:25
you said 10 to the 25. yeah that's not
8:28
sorry 2 to the 25. oh okay okay
8:30
yeah but in any case that's that's way
8:33
more uh so what we used to do is to sort
8:36
out the old cells we'd label them with a
8:37
chemical and pull them out with magnetic
8:39
beads
8:40
but it was a real we couldn't get many
8:42
of them you'd just get a handful but
8:43
with these sgs werner's proteins you
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could get a bunch of them the mutants we
8:47
could get a lot more and so we made a
8:48
lot of progress using that but every
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time we made a discovery with the sgs
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protein
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mutants we went back to the normal yi
8:55
cells and verified
8:57
but we were actually able to figure out
8:59
with that mutant what the distracting
9:01
problem was for the circumplex
9:03
and that was actually
9:05
dna breaks and dna recombination that
9:07
was occurring at the most repetitive
9:09
regions the most unstable region of the
9:10
genome which is the rdna which is in the
9:13
nucleolus and that was what was
9:14
distracting those proteins interesting
9:17
when you knock out cer2 is it easy to
9:19
knock it out yeah so that was the next
9:21
experiment okay so then we wanted to
9:23
know the prediction is if you knock out
9:25
sort two you should get a lot more of
9:26
this instability at the rna yes and the
9:28
question is does it translate to
9:30
accelerated aging or not necessarily
9:32
solid aging but more cancer or some
9:34
other phenotype right well in yeast it
9:35
led to accelerated aging through the
9:37
process i was telling you about genomic
9:39
instability dna repair went went down
9:42
and also that happens in animals
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although it's a little more complex
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because it's embryonic lethal in a lot
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of in a lot of mice so you can't easily
9:50
do that experiment
9:52
but you can do is the opposite you can
9:54
turn on or over express the so2 gene in
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a yeast cell and if we're right you
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should get a few things that are going
9:59
to happen you'll have
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more genomic stability at this
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particularly this rdna locus in the
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nucleolus and the yeast cells should
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live longer and that experiment was done
10:09
by an incoming graduate student matt
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cabellon and one what a fantastic
10:13
project to get when you walk in
10:15
he did it and the day that he got
10:17
lifeband extension with extra sur2 was a
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very good one for him and the lab so
10:22
what's the next step from there the most
10:24
obvious thing is how do you develop a
10:26
compound that would do this without the
10:28
genetic mutation that empowered it yeah
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that was the issue because you can't
10:32
easily genetically manipulate humans so
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the question was how do you turn on
10:36
these genes now we
10:37
we spent about three four years working
10:40
on caloric restriction in yeast and then
10:42
in mammals and
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my lab and some others were
10:45
leading the charge and showing that
10:47
sirtuins both in yeast and mammals were
10:50
not only necessary but were sufficient
10:53
when you overexpress them to mimic
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calorie restriction
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put another way if you knock out so too
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you don't get the benefits of connecting
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with the benefits of cr
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right and that's also now being shown by
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others to be true in mice as well
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so that that led to the idea that is
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that the truth in all mice i couldn't
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say you know there's even in yeast you
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can get around the need for certains if
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you stress the yeast really intensely
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with very little amount of calories
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but there are you know there are aspects
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of of calorie restriction benefits such
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as a lifespan extension that are
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ameliorated lessened by a certain
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knockout but it's still
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complexified by the fact that it's
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lethal in embryos and you have to knock
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it out in the adult to do a really it's
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the same sort of issue that cynthia had
11:36
with the dafts which was if you do too
11:38
early you see elegance doesn't make it
11:40
into an intermediate stage you know what
11:43
somebody hasn't even done the proper
11:44
experiment which is to take a
11:47
a mouse that you can knock out cert one
11:49
in an adult whole body and then calorie
11:52
restrict
11:53
something that we probably should have
11:54
done years ago
11:55
we didn't
11:56
but the technology is there to do that
11:58
but what what we did learn actually was
12:00
both in east and in mammals was that
12:03
it's not just one of these genes that's
12:04
important it's the whole family
12:06
and that if you knock out take yeast for
12:08
example if you knock out so two and
12:09
yeast
12:10
you lose the ability to respond to some
12:12
mild calorie restriction but if you
12:14
really calorie restrict them they'll
12:16
still live longer and there was a big
12:17
debate actually between brian matt
12:19
myself
12:20
about that and where we settled on
12:23
was that these other
12:25
sir two related genes uh we're also
12:27
helping and they work as a family and if
12:29
you knock one out the others can
12:31
compensate you used to only have one you
12:32
used to have five you said five and
12:34
humans have a whole family like eight or
12:36
something seven oh okay so only two more
12:39
that's interesting little known fact
12:40
most people ignore the other yeasts or
12:42
two ones but they're just as interesting
12:44
and what we've found is they also
12:46
can extend lifespan as well so when you
12:49
actually it's funny i was gonna go back
12:51
to something else you said a second ago
12:52
a bit what's the teleologic explanation
12:54
for why
12:56
caloric restriction and sirtuins would
12:58
move hand in hand like for many of you
13:00
you talked earlier about your
13:01
appreciation for sort of
13:03
evolutionary biology so
13:05
an organism is
13:07
you know in a nutrient-deprived
13:09
environment it still has to be able to
13:11
do a bunch of things if it's going to be
13:12
fit do we believe that that's an
13:14
environment where we need to see more
13:17
stabilization of the genome or repair or
13:19
silencing or what do we think is the
13:21
biggest insult during that period of
13:22
time yeah so the biggest insult to any
13:24
life form is a broken chromosome that's
13:26
lethal if you don't fix it and do we see
13:28
that more likely happening during
13:30
nutrient deprivation i'm gonna see that
13:32
is i would have assumed to be honest i
13:33
would assume that was independent of
13:34
nutrient exposure or at least if
13:37
anything inversely
13:39
if you don't have enough nucleotides to
13:41
complete replication you're going to
13:42
break a lot right so they do go hand in
13:44
hand
13:45
but the bigger picture is that the
13:47
sirtuins evolved we believe what are we
13:49
talking about three and a half billion
13:50
years ago in the first life forms early
13:53
life forms
13:54
maybe just after the first one of the
13:56
first proteins to actually evolve we
13:58
think would be a certain and its job is
14:00
to sense stress biological stress in the
14:03
environment
14:04
whether it's
14:05
dna damage or it's you know a burst of
14:08
cosmic rays
14:09
change in temperature or a lack of
14:11
nutrients and their job is to allow that
14:15
organism to hunker down and survive stop
14:17
mating stop breeding we can do that in
14:19
another day if we don't survive this our
14:22
offspring aren't gonna die anyway
14:24
so they control we think we they control
14:26
which genes to turn on and off in
14:28
response to adversity and they allow
14:31
those organisms to survive but they're
14:34
also talking to other pathways so
14:35
they're going to talk to empty are
14:36
they're going to talk to cynthia's daf
14:38
pathway and collectively these are the
14:42
the genes that we've settled on as the
14:44
longevity pathways but they didn't
14:45
evolve for longevity they evolved for
14:47
survival of during adversity how
14:49
conserved are these across
14:52
let's you know use the big four models
14:54
of eukaryotes from yeast worms flies you
14:57
know larger mammals like mice and
14:59
rodents is this relatively well
15:01
conserved the way the tor pathway is
15:03
conserved or does it have more
15:05
bends in the road well they're
15:06
surprisingly concerned that
15:08
you can just manipulate one gene in each
15:11
of these organisms and get lifespan
15:13
extension or one drug works in all of
15:14
these organisms i would challenge anyone
15:17
to use a chemotherapy to help a yeast
15:19
cell
15:20
so this is a quite a magical discovery
15:22
that the same pathways
15:24
are that well conserved and that ancient
15:26
and that's actually one of the
15:27
advantages we have aging is
15:30
actually not that difficult to be able
15:32
to control and that's because our models
15:34
are very good
15:35
if we can i truly believe that if we can
15:37
extend the lifespan
15:39
of a yeast a worm and a mouse humans are
15:42
so close right if you can do it across a
15:45
billion years you should be able to make
15:47
that leap to a few other 100 million
15:49
exactly it's really just the regulatory
15:51
agencies and making sure that we don't
15:52
do any harm and it's safe but the
15:54
biology is all still there going way
15:57
back three and a half billion years ago
15:58
so
15:59
it was 2006 2007 when did resveratrol
16:03
emerge as an early sirtuin activator
16:06
2003 okay and uh yeah the story behind
16:10
that was that we were looking
16:12
for an activator we're hoping for an
16:13
activator were you in your own lab at
16:14
this point you finished your post talk
16:16
i'm guessing yeah i i
16:18
managed to
16:20
move to harvard in 1999.
16:22
so
16:23
that was the year when a lot of things
16:25
happened while i while i was moving
16:28
we published this dna repair but just
16:30
going back to a silly sort of social
16:32
question did you at some point think i
16:33
want to go back to australia and set up
16:35
a lab here like was it a difficult
16:36
decision for you to stay in boston as
16:38
opposed to because you came from sydney
16:39
if i recall right well the goal was to
16:41
because like those are pretty different
16:42
climates
16:44
i've been to sydney once i spent two
16:46
weeks there i could stay there yeah i
16:48
miss that but i also like adversity i
16:51
thrive on adversity and so i've come to
16:53
like living here
16:55
the intention was to come here for two
16:56
years i had a job to go back to and but
16:59
the first week of being here in boston
17:02
was like a city i could only dream about
17:04
this is the
17:05
athens of ancient greece the rome of
17:07
ancient rome for biology this is it and
17:09
so i was in heaven i'd never experienced
17:12
a city where you're on the train and
17:14
people around you are reading science
17:16
magazine and nature that that's that's
17:18
my dream so it was
17:20
a very easy decision not to go back to
17:23
australia for reasons that if you really
17:25
want to change the world
17:26
you got to do it from here so now you're
17:28
in you're in the process of kickstarting
17:30
your own lab which comes with its own
17:31
stresses right you've got to secure
17:33
funding and all those other things and
17:36
then what's happening in the on the
17:37
front of
17:39
this stuff yeah so 1999
17:41
a few major things happened one was this
17:43
dna repair connection the second one was
17:46
lenny's lab uh published that nad was a
17:49
requirement for swatun activity and
17:51
chinema who's at washington
17:53
was the postdoc who made that
17:55
somewhat serendipitous but brilliant
17:57
discovery
17:58
and then the third thing was the
18:00
connection to calorie restriction was
18:01
happening around that time too going
18:02
back to the second thing
18:04
we talk about it now today like it's in
18:06
textbooks it's so obvious right that
18:07
sirtuins are nad dependent deacetylase
18:11
okay
18:12
nad is so ubiquitous in cells
18:14
that
18:16
if the
18:17
quantity you could have in a cell varies
18:19
on a scale from one to ten
18:21
what is sufficient to produce this
18:24
deacetylase activity is it anywhere from
18:26
two to ten or does it have to be you
18:28
know quite a high concentration it can
18:30
be two to ten you can actually get very
18:31
low levels in some disease conditions
18:33
and the
18:34
animal is still alive so it's basically
18:36
only saying that
18:38
nad is
18:39
necessary for sirtuins to work right
18:42
well without nad we'd be dead in 30
18:44
seconds but by other reasons as well i
18:47
mean wouldn't we be dead just from not
18:48
being able to do electron transports we
18:50
would and there's more than 500
18:52
reactions that you really need to just
18:54
to survive but what we didn't know in
18:57
the 2000s and it was actually quite a
18:59
crazy thing to think that nad was
19:01
regulating anything
19:03
and that was actually what we first
19:04
worked on in my lab was the control of
19:06
saturn's with nad levels
19:08
the reason it's crazy is you read
19:09
textbooks and nad is the the most
19:11
ubiquitous important molecule in the
19:13
cell
19:15
how could it possibly be varied
19:17
during aging let alone during the day
19:20
when you eat something or your circadian
19:21
rhythm now it's obvious we know nad goes
19:24
up and down it changes with age but in
19:26
those days people thought if you changed
19:28
nad levels you'd probably die
19:30
and that's not true was it known at the
19:32
time that
19:33
doesn't complex one of the mitochondria
19:35
basically convert nadh to nad
19:39
so
19:40
that you would at least know that in the
19:41
mitochondria the concentration of nad
19:43
must go up and down or else you couldn't
19:46
actually respire well locally it goes up
19:48
and down but the steady state level is
19:50
pretty constant and and when you say
19:52
going up and down are you talking
19:54
cytoplasmic nuclear plasma what are we
19:57
talking about yeah we had a paper i
19:59
think was 2007 where we had a quite a
20:02
surprising result which told us that
20:04
it's not just the cytoplasm that it goes
20:06
up and down
20:07
it was the also the mitochondria going
20:09
up and down
20:10
and we didn't know that we actually we
20:13
stumbled upon it we found that if we
20:16
kept cells with high amounts of nad they
20:18
would survive better dna damage others
20:20
insults
20:22
and we could deplete nad in the
20:23
cytoplasm but they still the cells still
20:25
lived and we didn't understand that how
20:27
did you do that by the way how do you
20:28
deplete nad actually come to think of it
20:30
we could either over express nad
20:32
depleting enzymes but actually the way
20:34
we found it was this when you damage
20:36
cells with a dna damaging agent say
20:38
chemotherapy
20:39
drug the cells themselves deplete nad
20:42
naturally with this enzyme called parp
20:44
one which is an nad
20:46
consuming enzyme and actually that's
20:49
very well known that if you hit a cell
20:51
with a dna damaging agent the reason
20:52
that it dies is n80 depletion so we were
20:55
measuring the nad depletion
20:57
in the context and that's because the
20:59
cell is trying to utilize that nad to
21:01
repair the damage you've just caused
21:03
right right so you didn't know that at
21:04
the time no that was well known so part
21:06
one is a known dna repair protein and
21:08
that's if you block pop you also protect
21:11
cells but what was interesting was that
21:13
we could over express
21:15
give more copies of a gene that made nad
21:18
and
21:19
this is called an mpt which is the
21:21
equivalent of the
21:22
pnc-1 gene in yeast which we found was
21:25
important for lifespan in those
21:26
organisms
21:27
so we were over expressing this amputee
21:29
cells had more nad
21:31
we hit them with the toxin they'd
21:33
survive better than the regular cells
21:35
but the nad was still being almost
21:37
completely depleted from the cytoplasm
21:39
sorry just because this is this is sort
21:40
of at the crux of it did they survive
21:43
because they were unable to deplete
21:45
their nad no we we saw that nad just
21:48
disappeared from the cell but they
21:49
survived but they still survived but
21:51
there was a place we weren't looking at
21:52
the time and we tracked it down to the
21:54
mitochondria
21:55
so this begs the term the mitochondrial
21:58
oasis hypothesis so myself and anthony
22:00
solvay from cornell coined this term
22:02
because what we found was that as long
22:04
as the mitochondria stayed active with
22:05
their nad
22:07
it didn't matter the cell could survive
22:08
and recover from that stress
22:10
and actually turns out that the levels
22:12
in mitochondria
22:13
nad levels are even more important than
22:15
cytoplasmic nad levels for survival that
22:18
makes sense and of course that's a hard
22:20
thing to measure isn't it it was
22:21
extremely hard that's where anthony came
22:23
in anthony is a chemist in biochemist at
22:26
heart
22:26
and it was extremely hard to isolate
22:28
these mitochondria or preserve the nad
22:30
in them
22:31
we had to use new technologies to be
22:33
able to do that well how was that done
22:34
we were using mass spectrometry for the
22:36
first time to measure nad and what
22:37
anthony did brilliantly was to make
22:40
labeled versions of nad and its
22:42
precursors and he could spike those in
22:45
and use those as references to measure
22:46
energy levels in these compartments and
22:49
nad if i recall from just biochemistry
22:52
you don't get to move that in and out of
22:54
plasma into cells
22:56
it's made de novo in the cell you have
22:58
what you have you can make more you can
22:59
bring in precursors but you don't get to
23:01
shuttle nad between cells correct uh as
23:03
far as we know right okay
23:06
yeah it gets sort of like an atp problem
23:08
like it's really hard to quantify atp in
23:10
a cell
23:11
by the way does nadp do any of this as
23:14
well well it's important no doubt it's
23:17
part of this whole
23:19
problem that we're working on
23:21
but if you add nadp or even nadh which
23:23
is only different by one hydrogen yes
23:25
they don't those don't work to activate
23:28
serotonins only nad plus will do that
23:30
and i mean not to get too nerdy on this
23:32
or but is it
23:34
it's obviously more than just the charge
23:35
but the charge must play a role if nadh
23:38
can't work right yeah so it's probably a
23:39
combination of the charge and some other
23:41
size size yeah
23:44
okay so
23:45
now you've made this these three
23:47
discoveries the second of which we just
23:49
went into in a little bit more detail
23:51
how does the story unfold now you've got
23:54
your spanking new lab well we worked for
23:56
a little while on the sts-1 bonus
23:58
protein yes and telomeres put out a
24:00
paper on that and we didn't work on
24:02
solutoons for about a year because lenny
24:04
said i don't want you working on
24:05
certains when i left the lab which was a
24:07
bit of a shock why
24:09
he doesn't want didn't want the
24:10
competition i suppose but i thought a
24:12
year was enough to give him a head start
24:14
but we quickly started working back on
24:16
is that a common request of people when
24:18
post-docs leave their labs no of course
24:20
not but
24:21
what am i going to do i mean they got
24:22
the guy trained me yeah i go in my
24:24
career but in those days it was very
24:26
competitive and so you know the lenny of
24:28
today is not the lenny of previous years
24:30
and he's a wonderful friend and mentor
24:32
to me but that's how it was in those
24:34
days it was very cutthroat i see but if
24:36
it were to up to you you would have
24:37
continued to work on sirtuins right so
24:39
then now we're basically back to 2001
24:42
2002 you're the moratorium is up you're
24:44
now back to working on it and nobody at
24:46
this point in time has yet figured out a
24:47
way
24:48
to
24:49
exogenously manipulate sirtuins more
24:52
than the stuff that we've already talked
24:54
about which is nutrients stress and
24:56
things like that yeah we were trying to
24:58
feed yeast nad and we gave them
25:00
nicotinamide which is a precursor to nad
25:02
vitamin b3 and actually kevin bitterman
25:05
who's now a very successful venture
25:06
capitalist my first student
25:08
he put nicotinamide on yeast and we
25:10
could measure the so2 activity by the
25:12
color and if so two was more active they
25:14
turn red
25:15
and he walked into my office one of his
25:17
first experiments when we worked on
25:18
sirtuins and he said david something's
25:21
weird we didn't get
25:22
activation we got inhibition so the
25:25
yeast had gone red and i said kevin it
25:27
doesn't matter what happens if it's
25:28
unexpected that's even better so that
25:30
led to a paper that said that vitamin b3
25:32
high doses is inhibitory of certain so
25:35
now the labs around the world use
25:38
nicotinamide as an inhibitor for saturn
25:40
then i wouldn't recommend taking really
25:42
high doses of nicotinamide why is that
25:44
there's a few answers by chemical answer
25:46
is that there's a an evolved pocket in
25:48
the sertuan structure
25:50
that measures nicotinamide levels and
25:52
it's a feedback loop so nicotinamide is
25:55
to get nerdy is the product of the
25:57
reaction it takes nad
25:59
cleaves it oh i got it so it's just a
26:01
negative feedback
26:02
it's seeing too much b3 and it's saying
26:04
i have too much of my output
26:07
starting to turn it down exactly so we
26:09
struggled with that we couldn't get nad
26:10
to go into cells it's too big even with
26:12
mammalian cells is difficult
26:14
as we were looking at ways to make more
26:16
nad in the cell that was our original
26:18
thesis before resveratrol was on the
26:19
radar
26:20
and we were
26:22
turning on and discovering the genes
26:23
that made nad and yeast
26:25
and we cloned some of the genes in that
26:27
pathway and there was one particular one
26:29
that was called pn is called pnc1 and
26:32
it had been studied in the context of
26:34
tuberculosis
26:35
and what we found was that when we
26:38
calorically restricted yeast cells this
26:40
was one of the most highly upregulated
26:42
genes in the whole yeast
26:44
cell
26:45
which was very unusual people had
26:46
discovered this before in their own lab
26:49
but they were wondering what the heck is
26:50
this nad
26:52
synthesis pathway got to do with calorie
26:54
restriction got to do with stress
26:56
but we knew exactly what was happening
26:58
this is a stress response that was
26:59
turning on nad
27:01
production and activating certains so we
27:04
had a our first nature paper actually on
27:06
that
27:07
2002 i think 2003
27:10
and we found that pnc-1
27:11
could mimic color restriction and raise
27:13
nad availability and then if we knocked
27:16
out the pnc-1 gene
27:17
yi cells didn't live longer when we
27:19
calorie restricted them and what's
27:21
really interesting about that i think is
27:23
that pnc-1 doesn't just get turned on by
27:25
clock restriction it's turned on by heat
27:28
low amino acids
27:30
salt high salt and so this is a gene
27:33
that senses the environment and turns on
27:36
this returns exactly what i was
27:38
explaining earlier about those early
27:39
life forms on the planet sense their
27:41
environment and through nad and other
27:43
ways they can turn on these pathways for
27:45
defense
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